Forum: n-Track Studio Discussion Forum
Topic: Rare Political Humour
started by: BillClarke

Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 06 2008, 3:26 PM
I don't usually do political humour - least of all American Political Humour. But once I thought of this I couldn't resist.


Posted by woxnerw on Sep. 06 2008, 4:58 PM
One of my Uncles lived just north of Fort Lauderdale..  He had beach front property..    

 He used to say it was a question of voting for the politicians that would cause the least damage to the people before their term was up..

 He's not with us anymore..  

    Bill..
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 06 2008, 6:27 PM
Despite the fact that I have always voted whenever the opportunity presented itself, I am coming closer to concluding that I should refrain from voting - all it does is encourage them.

I am very much leaning towards spoiling my ballots in future elections.
Posted by woxnerw on Sep. 06 2008, 6:37 PM
I'm Back Again.. BillClarke:
 For somebody like me??   I've done that..  in the past..  

  Somehow-or-Other..  I think they are (the Spoiled Ballots) are still counted..  I believe they throw them in a pile and get the candidates to "Boob" for them like Boobing for apples..  in a big bucket.. :p  :laugh:

  What can we expect up here in our Neck of the Woods...    When is it..  October 14th..  ????

  Bill..

[EDIT]
  I'd like the Government to report to the people..  How much it costs the taxpayers to run an election..
Posted by Levi on Sep. 07 2008, 2:43 AM
Quote: (BillClarke @ Sep. 06 2008, 11:27 AM)

I should refrain from voting - all it does is encourage them.

I am very much leaning towards spoiling my ballots in future elections.

:laugh:
Posted by macmic on Sep. 07 2008, 2:55 AM
Let's be honest guys, this is the person we will all be voting for.

OK, the remaining Alaskan wildlife that she hasn't personally slaughtered, she's determined to drown in oil slicks.

She wants to teach our kids creationism, and in a very conservatively correct way.

She doesn't know what the plan for Iraq is, but she knows that there is a plan, and it's "God's Plan!"

But despite all that trivial stuff, we'll still vote for her, 'cos every single one of us fantasises about nailing her!     :)
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 07 2008, 4:16 AM
Nail her? Really?? Not me.

Despite how nice the package looks I can't get past the sh!t that's inside it.

I'll take a pass on nailing her and as for voting for her... well, that's a decision I don't even get to make.
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 07 2008, 4:34 AM
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I can't get past the sh!t that's inside it


Wow - Really!? REALLY!?

That's pretty hardcore - you live in cardboard box in Alaska because of her I presume?
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 07 2008, 4:47 AM
You guys have obviously listening/reading/watching the major media outlets, most of whom have already inaugurated and placed in office Barack "I dunno what the heck I'm gonna do. I just know I stand for CHANGE." (Gee... who doesn't?) Obama. I was quite pleasantly surprised by a LIVE interview with Mrs. Palin I saw the other day.

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The remaining Alaskan wildlife that she hasn't personally slaughtered, she's determined to drown in oil slicks.


I'm not much of a hunter myself but I certainly see nothing wrong with it IF you eat what you kill. Oil slicks? This is 2008, not 1978. I think we've learned a thing or two.

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She wants to teach our kids creationism, and in a very conservatively correct way.


Nothing wrong with that. Why not expose our children to ALL the information we can about who/what/how we are and let them learn to think for themselves?

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She doesn't know what the plan for Iraq is, but she knows that there is a plan, and it's "God's Plan!"


I've not seen her quoted on this one so I can't comment a whole lot. I personally believe God has a plan for everything and everybody. WE have the free will to muck it up and usually do.

I love you green guy!

D

PS She is a very attractive lady.  :agree:
Posted by kevinmyers on Sep. 07 2008, 6:50 PM
I've been voting in the state and federal elections since the early 80's. It's just been in the last year or two I've realized the local elections are pretty doggone important too. As far as McCain vs Obama, I'll be voting for McCain, though in some ways, Obama doesn't worry me as much as his buddies in the Congress.
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 08 2008, 12:31 AM
Here's the thing, I really can't support a fundamentalist (of any stripe) for any important job ('important job' being defined as any job that potentially impacts the lives of other persons.) Dog-catcher, Mayor, Meter-maid - fine. High-ranking federal official - no.

Here's the reason: to be a fundamentalist (again, of any stripe) one must make the conscious decision to accept as precise, unalterable, literal truth the statements of a given text. One must willingly re-wire one's brain to say: despite my own common sense, my five senses, and my rational mind, I will accept as literal truth what is written in this text and if my common sense, five senses, and my rational mind disagree with what is written in this text I will forego my common sense, my five senses, and my rational mind in favour of what is so written.

I think that such an irrational, deliberate, self-mutilation of one's humanity simply must show itself in other areas.

You can take one of the finer gear-wheels of a well-constructed watch and remove one of the tines and the watch will appear, to all intents and purposes, to still function correctly. The hands will move in the appropriate direction; it will look and seem to behave still as a well-constructed watch. But something is seriously wrong with its mechanism now and that serious flaw will show up someday and in some, perhaps unpredicatable, fashion.

That altered watch is a fundamentalist. Maybe it will perform adequately for the balance of time. Maybe. But it is flawed and there is no way to accurately predict how its flaw will manifest itself.
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 08 2008, 12:37 AM
So how was church this mornin'?
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 08 2008, 1:02 AM
Church was great - as it is every Sunday.

Thanks for asking.

BTW - you can listen to our 11:00 AM service at < http://www.unity-kitchener.org > - click on the link for "past services" and you can download or stream it.

(for what it's worth - that's me on the drums)

We don't archive our 9:00 AM service but it is essentially the same as the 11:00 AM.
Posted by sevenOfeleven on Sep. 08 2008, 1:17 AM
Fundementalist by difinition refers to adherent's of religious
tradition, usually referring to Christian or Islamic.
Whereas our political system tolerates both, as opposed to
'radical'/violent fundementalists. I personally don't see
a problem with either Christian or Islamic fundementalists.
I do see a problem with 'radical'/violent fundementalists.
Our political system is secure enough to protect us from
Govenor Palin, should she 'become' radical. My more immediate
concerns, are the avaialibility of affordable healthcare,
and education. And a break from 'globalistic'pursuits, while
we take care of our faltering internal social structure, and
make improvements to our infrastructure.
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 08 2008, 1:24 AM
But how can you be protected from her flawed thinking?

If elected, this travesty will be one heartbeat away from being your President. One beat of an already 72 year old heart.

Good luck with that.
Posted by sevenOfeleven on Sep. 08 2008, 1:38 AM
Well let's 'what if'.
Say she IS President.
To effect her personal belief system on the country, she
has a couple of options. She can appoint judges who are like-minded.
(Probably the most serious),
Or she could start a Holy War.
Sound familiar?
As President, I'm not sure you can do much more.
Which do you fear the most?
Don't get me wrong - I understand your concerns.
This is going to be a very interesting election, no matter
how you look at it.
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 08 2008, 2:07 AM
Quote: (sevenOfeleven @ Sep. 07 2008, 7:38 PM)

Sound familiar?

Oh yeah. All that and a bag of chips.

Haven't you had enough of that sh!t?

To be fair, the real job of the President is to distract the public from realizing that real power is wielded by the corporations. So their actual ability to make change is quite limited.

But that doesn't mean they can't cause a wagonfull of problems for everday people in their everyday lives.
Posted by sevenOfeleven on Sep. 08 2008, 3:11 AM
Quote: 

power is wielded by the corporations

True.
How would you be different if say you were top banana
at MS, or Exxon, or Walmart?
Your job is to maximize profits for your shareholders.
Do you try to de-stabilize other countries? Side with
your nations traditional enemies for marketshare?
Export American jobs for cheaper labor? Avoid taxes?
Influence 'emminent domain' laws?
It is a little out of control.
Posted by TomS on Sep. 08 2008, 3:54 AM
D - where did you see a live interview with her?  She hasn't done any yet.  Least as far as I know.
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 08 2008, 4:24 AM
On the boob toob... somewhere or another. My wifey was watchin... ???  You know me Tom... I have an aversion to TV... too much BS on there.

Besides, there is a LOT of stuff I can see eye to eye with her on versus Obama's line of "Anything you wanna hear as long as you VOTE for ME." I get a lot of dope about the candidates on the web... which I admit, may be just as BAD...

D
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 08 2008, 4:50 AM
Her videos are runnin through church women's groups like wildfire... my wife got two links today. Good stuff.
Posted by TomS on Sep. 08 2008, 7:25 PM
Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 07 2008, 9:24 PM)

On the boob toob... somewhere or another. My wifey was watchin... ???  You know me Tom... I have an aversion to TV... too much BS on there.

Besides, there is a LOT of stuff I can see eye to eye with her on versus Obama's line of "Anything you wanna hear as long as you VOTE for ME." I get a lot of dope about the candidates on the web... which I admit, may be just as BAD...

D

Well, she has done NO live interviews post nomination - some speeches she did not write - but only in controlled situations.  Interesting that you are not the only person I've run into who thinks she has.  

I'd just say this: y'all who want to vote on first impressions, hold on and don't make up your minds yet.  She has doen some very good things, but she has also done some atrocious things, and in any case it is far to early to tell what she would do as president.

Don't buy the horse without looking at its teeth, etc.
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 08 2008, 7:57 PM
She is suppose to sit down with one of the big network anchors this evening I think. I can't remember which... heard about it on the ray-o-diddy-i-o this mornin'.

D
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 08 2008, 9:21 PM
Quote: 

I'd just say this: y'all who want to vote on first impressions, hold on and don't make up your minds yet.  She has doen some very good things, but she has also done some atrocious things, and in any case it is far to early to tell what she would do as president.


Well gosh Tom... no wonder you're confused! She's running for Vice President not President! :p

I had my mind made up long before Palin was announced. I don't like the style of shoes TaBacky Obama wears and Mrs. Future President reminds me of a mean school cafeteria lady I knew when I was seven.

Good enough for me! LOL...

D

PS I typed this jokingly but sadly, a crap load of votes will come down to such "logic".
Posted by TomS on Sep. 08 2008, 10:11 PM
Yep - the Republicans have been saying that the election is about personalities and not issues, competence, judgment, or records, and seems to me they are correct.  

And I meant "president" - seems like a pretty good chance she'd end up in that office - about 20% of VPs end up as P, after all.  

"TaBacky" Obama?  Is that what some folks are calling him?  That's about as racist as it gets.  Disgusting.   :disagree:
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 08 2008, 10:19 PM
Quote: 

"TaBacky" Obama?  Is that what some folks are calling him?  That's about as racist as it gets.  Disgusting.


No Tom. I haven't heard anybody call him that. Just for giggles though, explain why that would be construed as racist?

D
Posted by Yaz on Sep. 08 2008, 11:20 PM
Hmmm, racist?

I don't get that one.
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 08 2008, 11:26 PM
I don't get it either Yaz. I'll wait for Tom to explain?

Where ya' been Yazzer? Ain't seen you around much lately? Finding time to do some music I hope?

D
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 08 2008, 11:41 PM
Quote: (sevenOfeleven @ Sep. 07 2008, 9:11 PM)

How would you be different if say you were top banana
at MS, or Exxon, or Walmart?

Sorry - I missed this post.

To answer your question - couldn't happen. I could never be in such a position. I go along with Peter Gabriel on this one "If you want to keep control you've got to keep it small."

I've worked for big corporations; it's a soul-destroying experience. Fine, I suppose, if others wish to do so but it's not for me.

I realize that's a bit of a dodge but since I would never be willing to take that on I would never have to make those decisions.

And yes, I am a stockholder and yes, some of those stocks are in big corporations. But I do try to limit my (meager) investments to companies with a social conscience. Or those which, at least, appear to have a social conscience - the truth may be different.
Posted by Yaz on Sep. 08 2008, 11:54 PM
Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 08 2008, 5:26 PM)

I don't get it either Yaz. I'll wait for Tom to explain?

Where ya' been Yazzer? Ain't seen you around much lately? Finding time to do some music I hope?

D

Tom's got a lot o 'splaining to do! LUCY!

No time fer music right now, my baby girl's going thru a D-I-V-O-R-C-E. It sucks.


BTW D, nice flounder!  :agree:
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 09 2008, 12:11 AM
Quote: (Yaz @ Sep. 08 2008, 4:54 PM)

Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 08 2008, 5:26 PM)

I don't get it either Yaz. I'll wait for Tom to explain?

Where ya' been Yazzer? Ain't seen you around much lately? Finding time to do some music I hope?

D

Tom's got a lot o 'splaining to do! LUCY!

No time fer music right now, my baby girl's going thru a D-I-V-O-R-C-E. It sucks.


BTW D, nice flounder!  :agree:

That was a FLUKE... I didn't think anyone got it... Oh, and I didn't catch it... *sigh* I ain't wet a hook in many moons...

Sorry to hear about your daughter's woes Yaz. Hang in there buddy.

D
Posted by sevenOfeleven on Sep. 09 2008, 1:57 AM
Quote: 

BTW D, nice flounder!


Second that.
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 09 2008, 2:29 AM
Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 08 2008, 12:57 PM)

She is suppose to sit down with one of the big network anchors this evening I think. I can't remember which... heard about it on the ray-o-diddy-i-o this mornin'.

D

Hmm... Seems that was in error also... sorry!

D
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 09 2008, 3:27 AM
You lying racist pig!
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 09 2008, 4:02 AM
Quote: (Poppa Willis @ Sep. 08 2008, 8:27 PM)

You lying racist pig!

:laugh:

Believe you me Poppa. D ain't got a racist bone in his body. J would not approve at all...  :agree:

It's an interesting coincidence really... a fine outstanding African-American man is in a run-off for a seat on our city council and to my knowledge will be the first EVER if he wins. He has the qualifications I look for and he has my staunch support but really I couldn't care less what color his skin is...

He use to pastor a church here on "the other side of the tracks" *roll eyes* and our church use to take a Sunday a month and go have service with them and they would all come to our church once a month. It was awesome! Great bunch of people...

D
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 09 2008, 4:04 AM
:laugh: Yer fergiven.

In this day and age you can't even hint or accidentally say anything that remotely could be considered a racist remark by anyone anywhere - other planets included. You will instantly be tagged as a racist or bigot. This is the one thing the McCain campaign can not even think of risking. And must be acutely aware of. Just because of the color of a man's skin.
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 09 2008, 4:15 AM
Of course, this happened 30 years before I was born in Fort Payne... but this is where I live now and our cities "Claim to SHAME"...

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottsboro_Boys >

D
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 09 2008, 4:23 AM
Oh man, I remember that movie "Heaven's Fall"
Posted by kevinmyers on Sep. 09 2008, 4:27 AM
Quote: 

In this day and age you can't even hint or accidentally say anything that remotely could be considered a racist remark by anyone anywhere


If you're worried about being called racist, you need to go ahead and vote for Obama. I've already heard someone who I originally thought was a sensible black author or speaker of some sort on C-SPAN state that racism is the only reason someone wouldn't vote for Obama in this political climate.
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 09 2008, 4:32 AM
And they have the gall to act surprised when people take offense to THAT. Who is the racist?

D
Posted by kevinmyers on Sep. 09 2008, 4:38 AM
There is no doubt that a lot of shameful things have happened at the hand of true racists, especially here in the south. And though they are not as open with their comments as they once were, I know from experience there are still racists roaming among us. (Some of the things I've heard, only a blithering idiot could believe.) Thankfully, there doesn't seem to be too many of them. (Yes, I know... even one is too many.)
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 09 2008, 4:45 AM
Ain't it the truth Kev? I remember as a boy asking my dad what the "Colored's" sign was for over the outside drinking water fountain outside the little ice cream shop in Ft. Payne. I think he almost broke down and cried trying to explain it to me.

My dad is my hero. 75 years old, strong as a bear and as honest and upright as they come. My siblings and I couldn't have had any better. Mom too... Best parents EVER!

D
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 09 2008, 4:48 AM
Heh... you think this thread got derailed? lol...

D
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 09 2008, 5:06 AM
Funny thing D, a couple of years ago you and I were chatting about where you live and the first thing I thought of was the 'Scottsboro Boys'. I'm sure there's lots of good things to be said for the area but that's the first thing that came to mind.

All these years later.

I guess some things never go away.
Posted by kevinmyers on Sep. 09 2008, 5:12 AM
Sounds like your Dad is a good 'un, D. I didn't move down here till the late 60's when my mom re-married. Mostly because my dad tended to gamble away what money he and my mom earned, we were usually going through hard times. In the second grade, there were three white kids and 28 black kids in my class at the school in walking distance from our home. (Whittier Elementary in Lima, Ohio) The only racial incident I know of is one I almost created.

I was under strict orders from my mom to not play any football. She couldn't afford to keep replacing my glasses every time I broke them, which seemed to be often. Well, guess what. Out in there on the playground, playing football with a group of black kids, my glasses somehow ended up broken. Thinking she would never know the difference, when I went home that afternoon, I told her I wasn't playing football, but a kid who was playing football ran into me and knocked me down accidentally. How was I to know she would call the principal?!!! I ended up having to walk back to the school myself and talk to the principal, admitting that I had lied to my mom. I expected when I got home my dad would inflict some damage on my posterior, but it didn't happen. Anyway, I used that story on my kids to explain why lying isn't such a bright idea.
Posted by Yaz on Sep. 09 2008, 10:29 AM
That female candidate (what's her name?, Mystery Alaska?) is scheduled to sit down wif the ABC anchor Charles somebody later this week, is his last name "GIBSON" ?

OMG, a Les Paul interview, . . . . Right? ???

Anywho, not gonna matter which party gets in office, they're all walking into a big cluster-f#ck, sorry bout the cynical view point but I don't think anyone can fix this govern-mental mess.
Posted by sevenOfeleven on Sep. 09 2008, 3:06 PM
Here's the problem as I see it - 'or not'
US and handful of governments decide to bring about a 'world order'.
Nice idea, but doomed to fail. Goes against human nature and
'capitalist democracy'. To get everyone onboard, oppression and tyranny
must be exercised. Seeds are planted in the form of social behavior modification
to the point where basic freedom is 're-defined'. Society must be dumbed down
to a level lower than an ice cube. The new example of critical thinking is
displayed on TV 24/7, while information is locked up, and histories are re-written.
Any attempt of opposition is met with character asassination and ecconomic
ruination. Meanwhile the wars to map out resource control and distribution are
waged by 'unknown controllers'. These are large corporate conglomerates who represent
the interests of the wealthiest of the wealthy. And still the vice tightens on
a world-wide scale. Not only can you not smoke a cigarette in MainTown USA,
you can't smoke one in an Irish pub. These policies are carried out at the
lower levels by 'feminine nurturists' who use the 'children' as our measuring
stick of propper lifestyle. A new ecconomic model (which is critical) to the
success of this folly is in the form of world ecconomic super-cells, which call
for the abolishment of nation-states as we know them - which in turn calls
for abolishment of cultural identity as we know it, which calls for the
destruction of religous cores, and family (tribal ties).
Well - like I said it was a nice idea for the idle billionaires to try,
but now you are seeing the backlash (some conscious, some unconscious) to
this world-wide assault on human freedom. The funny part is they are using
a 'guise' of 'spreading' 'freedom and democracy' to implement its destruction.
The other problem is 'they' don't seem to have a backup plan. Except for you
and I bailing them out in the form of taxes and artifically inflated prices when
one of 'their' world-wide scams goes bad.
Only strong outside leadership at all levels of our 'crippled political system'
can rid us of this cancer.
How's that for political humor?
So you better rock-on while you still can!

:love:  :peace:  :love:
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 09 2008, 10:52 PM
You know seven, you may be inadvertently reading too much into what happens and assuming an intent that really wasn't there.

Then again, you may be spot on.

I keep returning to Hanlon's Razor (I disagree with its name, but that's another story - refer to my blog for background on that if interested) "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

What you see as "The quest for a new world order" could just as easily be the misguided attempts by not very bright people to bring about change perceived as desireable. To assume a conspiracy behind human stupidity is to to walk a thin rope; our stupidity is nearly limitless in its scope and dimension; we needn't add intent to explain it.

Then again, I could be entirely wrong about the whole thing.
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 09 2008, 11:30 PM
Quote: 

To assume a conspiracy behind human stupidity is to walk a thin rope; our stupidity is nearly limitless in its scope and dimension; we needn't add intent to explain it.


Hah! I LOVE that line Bill! Mind if I make that my signature on the forum?

You know what I think? It's getting WORSE! NOT better as one would hope after all this time and technological advancement.

I see it all the time here on my job. "Brilliant" young people who are as dumb as a box of rocks. Couldn't THINK their way out of a wet paper sack...

I blame technology...

D
Posted by phoo on Sep. 09 2008, 11:35 PM
Are fans of NASCAR Racists?

:laugh:
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 09 2008, 11:42 PM
Quote: 

Are fans of NASCAR Racists?


Some.

Some are straightists.
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 09 2008, 11:46 PM
Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 09 2008, 5:30 PM)

Hah! I LOVE that line Bill! Mind if I make that my signature on the forum?

Knock yourself out.

You really think it's getting worse? Hmmm - hard to imagine; it was already pretty bad.
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 09 2008, 11:46 PM
Naw we're racerist. Go Tony!!

Posted by Yaz on Sep. 10 2008, 12:17 AM
Right turn Clyde! :laugh:
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 10 2008, 12:55 AM
LOL...

About this time last year, I came down with a case of Acute Labyrinthitis. Basically, my inner ear and thus my balance was screwed up big time. I didn't know what the heck was wrong. Wifey took me to the Doc...

Doc- Well D, what seems to be the problem?

D- Doc... I have NASCAR disease! (I said struggling to sit straight without puking)

Doc- What the!?!? NASCAR disease!?! What's that?

D- When I try to walk, I keep turning LEFT!

:laugh:

D

PS I wouldn't wish that crap on my worst enemy... three solid days of lying in bed with the world STILL spinning around and around... puking my guts out... Yessh...
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 10 2008, 1:31 AM
Have time to watch any racists?
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 10 2008, 3:31 AM
Which comic was it who said that rednecks like NASCAR because it's the only sport you can still follow after drinking a dozen beers?
Posted by TomS on Sep. 28 2008, 6:14 PM
Non-Americans, feel free to comment - this showed up in my mail today:

Quote: 

Barack, Sarah, and the Bible
Jim Bramlett
Sep 1 2008 07:54PM


Dear friends:

Barack Hussein Obama has taken the nation by storm.  From obscurity, with zero executive experience, or much of any kind, he has vaulted into the position of Presidential frontrunner.  It is stunning.  On the surface, it appears attributable only to his eloquent oratory and his race.  But an invisible factor may be a strong spiritual force behind him, causing some people to actually swoon in his presence.

I have been very concerned that he has publicly said that he does not believe Jesus is the only way to heaven.  This makes both the Bible and Jesus a liar, and it means that Christ has died in vain.  A person cannot be a true Christian who believes that there are other ways of forgiveness, salvation, and eternal life with God.  Only Jesus has paid the price for that.

Therefore, there is, indeed, another spirit involved.  And this spirit has come into our national life like a flood.  Last week at Obama's acceptance speech, that spirit exalted itself in front of a Greek temple-like stage, and to a huge audience like in a Roman arena.  Omama was portrayed as god-like.  His voice thundered as a god's voice.

At the end, Democratic sympathizer Pastor Joel Hunter gave the benediction and shockingly invited everyone to close the prayer to their own (false) gods.  This was surely an abomination, but it was compatible with Obama's expressed theology, and Hunter's leftist leanings.

God was not pleased.

And God says, "When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him" (Isaiah 59:19).

Enter Governor Sarah Palin.  With incredible timing, the very next day, Sarah Palin also appeared out of nowhere.  Her shocking selection as John McCain's running mate stunned the world and suddenly took all the wind out of Obama's sails.

We quickly learned that Sarah is a born-again, Spirit-filled Christian, attends church, and has been a ministry worker.

Sarah is that standard God has raised up to stop the flood.  She has the anointing.  You can tell by how the dogs are already viciously attacking her.  But they will not be successful.  She knows the One she serves and will not be intimidated.

Back in the 1980s, I sensed that Israel's little-known Benjamin Netanyahu was chosen by God for an important end-time role.  I still believe that.  I now have that same sense about Sarah Palin.

Today I did some checking and discovered that both her first and last names are biblical words, one in Hebrew the other in Greek:

Sarah.  Wife of Abraham and mother of Isaac.  In Hebrew, Sarah means "noble woman" (Strong's 8283).

Palin.  In Greek, the word means "renewal." (Strong's 3825).

A friend said he believes that Sarah Palin is a Deborah.  Of Deborah, Smith's Bible Dictionary says, "A prophetess who judged Israel…. She was not so much a judge as one gifted with prophetic command…. and by virtue of her inspiration 'a mother in Israel.'"

Only God knows the future and how she may be used by Him, but may this noble woman serve to bring renewal in the land, and inspiration.

Jim


< http://www.injesus.com/index.php?module=message&amp;task=view&amp;MID=YB007F5G&amp;GroupID=2A004N9G >
Posted by teryeah on Sep. 28 2008, 6:36 PM
Good grief...
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 28 2008, 9:22 PM
Why can only "Non-Americans" comment?

D
Posted by TomS on Sep. 29 2008, 12:23 AM
Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 28 2008, 2:22 PM)

Why can only "Non-Americans" comment?

D

Oh, I never said that!   :(
Posted by phoo on Sep. 29 2008, 12:48 AM
Maybe only un-americans should comment.

:p
Posted by Diogenes on Sep. 29 2008, 3:54 AM
Quote: (TomS @ Sep. 28 2008, 5:23 PM)

Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 28 2008, 2:22 PM)

Why can only "Non-Americans" comment?

D

Oh, I never said that!   :(

Heh-heh... just yankin' yer chain Tom...

D
Posted by Mr Soul on Sep. 29 2008, 4:46 PM

Posted by DrGuitar on Sep. 29 2008, 6:33 PM
Here is my take on your post Tom.  It takes extremists to believe such extremist beliefs.  Keep in mind that there are folks who believe blowing yourself up to kill others is a good thing.  There are also lots of folks right here in the US of A that believe in (and are looking forward to) the end of the world... soon.

It's funny.  I have never thought that being open minded was a bad thing.  Seems to me Jesus was an open minded sort of fellow (inviting prostitutes, sinners and the like to his fold).  

I have to wonder when intolerance of those not precisely like you became the calling card of the "truly Christian"?

What would Jesus do?  I have to believe he would love his fellow man in spite of their differences.  But what do I know, I'm just a fallible human after all.

Mike
Posted by sevenOfeleven on Sep. 29 2008, 9:06 PM
Love but verify
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 29 2008, 9:10 PM
Now if ya turn that tolerance and open mindedness around and apply it to the person who wrote or sent that narrow minded email - Then you'll have somethin'.............

Purty is, is purty does..............
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 30 2008, 3:55 AM
The problem is that it is difficult - nigh on impossible - to tolerate a statement like: "A person cannot be a true Christian who believes that there are other ways of forgiveness, salvation, and eternal life with God."

A statement which indicates a complete lack of understanding not only of 'Christian' Scripture but of any reasonable definition of jingoism.

Is it intolerant to fail to tolerate the intolerant? Isn't toleration of intolerance an invitation to intolerance?

I am not suggesting that such fools be rounded up and put in camps but it is another matter entirely to hand them the presidency (whether directly or by proxy).

I return to my original premise: I contend that anyone who can self-delude sufficiently to actually believe that this planet is about 6,000 years old cannot be trusted with sharp objects, let alone with actual power over the lives and interests of living, breathing, human beings.

Not because I cannot 'tolerate' such persons. I do tolerate them - the same way one must tolerate a dog that refuses to stop barking: either get used to the barking or remove yourself from it. You don't shoot a dog for barking and you don't blame a jingoist for being a jingoist...

...but you don't have to vote for them.
Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 30 2008, 4:16 AM
I have no idea what a jingoist is. There is a twist here though as you said.  Good question though. Is it OK to preach tolerence and yet not tolerate intollerence?
I have noticed that most people who do, don't.
Posted by DrGuitar on Sep. 30 2008, 7:42 AM
Yep, it's a catch 22.  I believe it is OK to tolerate intolerance as long as that intolerance does not negatively impacts the well being of others.  In other words, intolerance is OK of you keep it to yourself but not if you put your intolerance into actions like bombing a pregnancy clinic, burning down a Mosque or even calling someone a racial slur.  Of course there are laws against such actions (most of the time) and you could say that in those cases intolerance is not tolerated by the law.

As far as not tolerating those with different beliefs (for example those who believe the Earth is 6000 years old), that is also wrong.  But if that person who believes it is their job to help the coming of the "end times" also is running for a public office, such beliefs should be made clear to the public without any other bias.  It is important to know if such an individual would put the people who they are entrusted to protect in harms way.  Unfortunately, Sara Palin is clearly an individual who believes the end times are soon and I am not comfortable with the likelihood that she may end up the leader of the free world; her religious beliefs may color her view of a difficult situation toward meeting her Saviour.

Mike
Posted by phoo on Sep. 30 2008, 9:53 PM
Enjoy...umm....maybe....

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Posted by Poppa Willis on Sep. 30 2008, 10:15 PM
Ain't that America... John Cougar Mellencamp. That's all I got.
Posted by Bubbagump on Sep. 30 2008, 10:42 PM
I read the thread... err, you guys are kidding on Palin right? I mean, did you see the Katie Couric interview? She is a parrot... I mean they all are... but she is a very unconvincing parrot.

As for the creationism/intelligent design in schools, can we please all agree that it is a religious teaching and not a scientific one? Go to a religious school and sure, it can be included. I spent 12 years in Catholic school and we had a religion class. That's what my folks paid for. As for a public school, teaching religion has no room. That is done at home. ID is religion as nothing based on science can support it. Evolution may be flawed and complete BS, but it at least has a scientific basis as we see dog breeds and fruit flies, it is testable somewhat, etc. No ability to test, no science.
Posted by BillClarke on Sep. 30 2008, 11:07 PM
Quote: (Poppa Willis @ Sep. 29 2008, 10:16 PM)

I have no idea what a jingoist is.

'Jingoism' is extreme belief that one's own group (country, culture, religion, etc.) is always best, often shown as enthusiastic support for war against other groups perceived to be in opposition to one's own. Colloquially it is often used to characterize extreme and unquestioned patriotism.
Posted by Bubbagump on Sep. 30 2008, 11:12 PM
Ahh, an 8th grade social studies term that somehow I remember. We had to learn the three levels... Patriotism, Nationalism, and Jingoism. Why do things like this stick and I can't remember what I did last week?
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 01 2008, 2:48 AM
Quote: 

As for the creationism/intelligent design in schools, can we please all agree that it is a religious teaching and not a scientific one?


You know my views Bubba... but think about it this way;

*Arts != Science* So by the same logic should music, poetry, literature, philosophy etc be excluded as well? I say leave the "religious" aspect out of it if you want, I sure don't want some half-wit public school teacher* teaching my kids about Christianity. That's my job. However, let them discuss creationism as a possible alternative to the big bang theory. Why not? If someone told Beethoven not to explore minor tonalities, think of all the beautiful music we might not have today. Teach them to THINK first and foremost... Think about everything.

I guess we sort of agree to disagree... sort of... :)

TG

Disclaimer*: I am not saying all public school teachers are half-wits, but oh my goodness I have met some real "gems" during my kids academic careers. Had a few doozies myself growing up...
Posted by Ares on Oct. 01 2008, 3:44 AM
Ignore him Bubba... what an a-hole... :laugh:

Ares
Posted by kevinmyers on Oct. 01 2008, 3:54 AM
And what of the students who show themselves skeptical of what they are taught? Is that to be allowed?
Posted by Mrs. Yaz on Oct. 01 2008, 4:05 AM
Quote: (BillClarke @ Sep. 30 2008, 4:07 PM)

'Jingoism' is extreme belief that one's own group (country, culture, religion, etc.) is always best, often shown as enthusiastic support for war against other groups perceived to be in opposition to one's own.

That sounds like our current Pres. :whistle:
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 01 2008, 4:07 AM
Quote: (kevinmyers @ Sep. 30 2008, 8:54 PM)

And what of the students who show themselves skeptical of what they are taught? Is that to be allowed?

Sure. Why not? Don't TEACH it... discuss it... There's a difference. :agree:

TG
Posted by Mrs. Yaz on Oct. 01 2008, 4:11 AM
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Sep. 30 2008, 4:12 PM)

Jingoism. Why do things like this stick and I can't remember what I did last week?

It's your sick, dirty 8th grade mind... :D

I still remember "erector peli" from 8th grade. It sounded kinda dirty to me.
But all it is, is the muscle that makes the hair stand up when you get goose bumps.
Posted by sevenOfeleven on Oct. 01 2008, 4:12 AM
'The 8 Years of the Jingo'

- ending soon at a theater near you
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 01 2008, 4:39 AM
Quote: 

I still remember "erector peli" from 8th grade. It sounded kinda dirty to me.
But all it is, is the muscle that makes the hair stand up when you get goose bumps.


Awww... you just made that up... :laugh:

All I remember about the eighth grade was this cute little blonde who had err... "developed" a bit earlier than the other girls... :whistle:

TG
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 01 2008, 5:29 AM
Quote: (gtr4him @ Sep. 30 2008, 8:48 PM)

Quote: 

As for the creationism/intelligent design in schools, can we please all agree that it is a religious teaching and not a scientific one?


You know my views Bubba... but think about it this way;

*Arts != Science* So by the same logic should music, poetry, literature, philosophy etc be excluded as well? I say leave the "religious" aspect out of it if you want, I sure don't want some half-wit public school teacher* teaching my kids about Christianity. That's my job. However, let them discuss creationism as a possible alternative to the big bang theory. Why not? If someone told Beethoven not to explore minor tonalities, think of all the beautiful music we might not have today. Teach them to THINK first and foremost... Think about everything.

I guess we sort of agree to disagree... sort of... :)

All I am saying is don't teach it as science... philosophy, comparitive studies, current events, whatever... but it doesn't belong in the science class room. It is not science. Just as painting is not science to use your analogy. In any event, TG and I are a perfect example of how the world can live in harmony. Care to snuggle?

And I remember the blonde that developed in my class room too.. Sigh... the power of mystery.
Posted by Poppa Willis on Oct. 01 2008, 5:57 AM
ah.... Vicki Welch
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 01 2008, 3:35 PM
I dare not name names at this point. The girlfriend and I were in the same Catholic school system growing up (didn't know each other back then as I went to the all boys high school in the diocese) and if I named names... eeesh, I am sure it would bite me in the arse. I already told her about my crush in 2nd grade who grew up to be a small pachyderm and haven't heard the end of it. Cute baby duck grew up to be an ugly ass goose in this case. (Just had a walk-in closet added on to my space in hell with that comment.)
Posted by Poppa Willis on Oct. 01 2008, 4:02 PM
lol - and of course we all grew up to be prince charmings......
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 01 2008, 4:13 PM
I did! I am still blind as a bat and have corrective shoes... but as an adult I can wear contacts, have no braces, and have regular old store bought shoes modified. Growing up is great.
Posted by Poppa Willis on Oct. 01 2008, 4:25 PM
Growing old on the other hand............
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 01 2008, 5:32 PM
Quote: (Poppa Willis @ Oct. 01 2008, 9:25 AM)

Growing old on the other hand............

Beats the CRAP out of the only alternative... :p

TG
Posted by BillClarke on Oct. 02 2008, 3:02 AM
Quote: (gtr4him @ Sep. 30 2008, 8:48 PM)

but think about it this way;

*Arts != Science* So by the same logic should music, poetry, literature, philosophy etc be excluded as well? I say leave the "religious" aspect out of it if you want, I sure don't want some half-wit public school teacher* teaching my kids about Christianity. That's my job. However, let them discuss creationism as a possible alternative to the big bang theory. Why not? If someone told Beethoven not to explore minor tonalities, think of all the beautiful music we might not have today. Teach them to THINK first and foremost... Think about everything.

I'm having trouble interpreting your post - it seems to say that "arts = science" but surely that can't be what you meant to say since it is absurd on its face.

Also, you can't discuss creationism as a "possible alternative to the big bang theory" because it isn't. It isn't even an alternative to evolution.  To discuss 'creationism' in any scholastic context outside of something like a 'Comparative Religions" course (or the equivalent) is to provide it with a credibility that is not earned and would be a disservice to anyone unfortunate enough to be party to the discussion - 'believer' and 'non-believer' alike.

You see, it may be art but it certainly isn't science and art does not equal science.
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 3:34 AM
*Arts != Science* == art does not equal science  :)

TG
Posted by BillClarke on Oct. 02 2008, 1:11 PM
Quote: (gtr4him @ Oct. 01 2008, 9:34 PM)

*Arts != Science* == art does not equal science  :)

TG

Ah, okay.
Posted by kevinmyers on Oct. 02 2008, 3:29 PM
Quote: 

Care to snuggle?


Bubba, you're really not my type, but if the heat goes out this winter, I'll keep you in mind.  :agree:
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 4:19 PM
Quote: (BillClarke @ Oct. 02 2008, 6:11 AM)

Quote: (gtr4him @ Oct. 01 2008, 9:34 PM)

*Arts != Science* == art does not equal science  :)

TG

Ah, okay.

Sorry about that Bill. It might be hard to see "!=" if you're eyes are getting as lousy as mine are... Either that or you haven't done any programming and didn't understand "!="... but anyway...

I just think that "science" and "religion" don't have to be mutually exclusive. I KNOW there is a lot more about US that we don't know versus what we do. I see nothing wrong with discussing possibilities of any sort. Like I said, teach 'em to think... for themselves. :agree:

D
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 4:22 PM
Quote: (kevinmyers @ Oct. 02 2008, 8:29 AM)

Quote: 

Care to snuggle?


Bubba, you're really not my type, but if the heat goes out this winter, I'll keep you in mind.  :agree:

Don't worry Kev... last winter we had what... six or seven days where the temp dropped below freezing at night around here?

Unless big Al comes through and "saves" us from GW, you'll be able to stay warm in a sweat-suit hoodie with a candle in the room all winter long...

TG
Posted by kevinmyers on Oct. 02 2008, 5:17 PM
Despite what Al says, we're about due for a rough winter. Not that I'm really wanting one.
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 5:30 PM
Yeah, we ARE overdue... I hope it doesn't get like 92-93 though... BRRRR!!!

I was on midnight shift when that REALLY bad cold snap hit. I just about froze to death running around on the roof all night trying to keep HVAC's running so the folks inside could work in warmth. The monitoring system said the temp on the roof was 8 Degrees Fahrenheit. No THANK YOU!  :disagree:

TG
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 02 2008, 5:30 PM
In regex ! is a negator.

As in

RewriteCond {%HTTP_HOST} !^www.amazon.com$
RewriteRule (.*) < http://www.amazon.com >

Something you would see in an Apache config for instance.

/TMI
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 5:34 PM
Yerp... in the crappy STL languages I've used, it simply means NOT. As in;

!= - NOT equal
!< - NOT less than
etc...

TG

PS Geez... what a buncha NERDZ... (It's made me a lotta JACK tho'! :) )
Posted by Poppa Willis on Oct. 02 2008, 5:37 PM
If you guys are gonna start talking in code - I'm outta here......
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 5:45 PM
Code?

-.. --- -. .----. - / --. --- / .--. --- .--. .--. .- -.-.--  :laugh:

TG

PS .... - - .--. ---... -..-. -..-. .-- .-- .-- .-.-.- --.- -... .. - .-.-.- .. - -..-. .-.. .- -... -..-. -- --- .-. ... . .-.-.- .--. .... .--.
Posted by kevinmyers on Oct. 02 2008, 5:55 PM
Quote: 

I was on midnight shift when that REALLY bad cold snap hit. I just about froze to death running around on the roof all night trying to keep HVAC's running so the folks inside could work in warmth. The monitoring system said the temp on the roof was 8 Degrees Fahrenheit. No THANK YOU!  


I'm a boiler operator, so even if the weather gets bad enough to shut down the mill, I'm expected to be there. I've spent the night a few times through the years, knowing if I left, I'd never make it back.
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 6:30 PM
Quote: 

I'm a boiler operator


Cool... Gas, Oil (both?) or coal fired? Just curious... How many BHP?

TG
Posted by kevinmyers on Oct. 02 2008, 6:44 PM
Quote: 

Cool... Gas, Oil (both?) or coal fired? Just curious... How many BHP?

TG


Sawdust is the fuel. As far as specs on the boiler goes, can't give em to ya. I can tell you as far as steam usage goes, when they start needing over 15,000 lbs/hr, I'll be smoking like a diesel heading up a steep incline.
Posted by kevinmyers on Oct. 02 2008, 7:06 PM
Due to environmental concerns, smoke has become a big issue over the past few years. The company has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on computer-controlled feed systems, as well as other strategies to eliminate the problem. I don't want to leave the impression smoke is a constant problem, because I don't think we do as badly as some others I've noticed. If I'm allowed to slowly bring the pressure up, I can do it pretty much smoke free. But when I'm already heating the mills, have a kiln or two already up and drying lumber, and they've just loaded another and calling for steam NOW, it's like expecting a four cylinder to do the job of a V8. Anyway, that's what I try to tell the powers that be. If the housing market continues at it's present pace, might not have to worry about it before long.
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 7:49 PM
Ah... I shoulda made the connection when you said "mill". So you guys are "recycling" the sawdust. Cool. Since we split off of the main sites powerhouse and we don't need steam for our process, I installed two 6,300,000 Btu/hr hot water boilers fired by natural gas. One is online while the other is standby. We run 24/7/365 here. They heat the water to 180 Degrees F for building heat and process purposes. I'm just glad I'm not responsible for the gas bill! It's a ton more efficient versus the old system of steam/water heat exchangers previously used though.

Sawdust fuel... neat stuff! I hope the housing down-turn doesn't bite you Kev. The auto sales slow down has already crimped us a bit. The hurricanes didn't help any either...

TG
Posted by kevinmyers on Oct. 02 2008, 7:54 PM
Besides using sawdust for the boiler, we also sell quite a bit to Jack Daniels for use in their distillery process. There was talk at one time of a second boiler, and even thoughts of producing electricity to sell to the electic companies, but I think it was gonna cost a million or two more than the company wanted to fork out.
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 7:57 PM
15,000 lbs/hr is about 435 Boiler horsepower... I think the big ones they used to run here are 1500 BHP... lot's o' steam...

Sorry... geekin' a bit.  :whistle:

TG
Posted by kevinmyers on Oct. 02 2008, 8:01 PM
I know this boiler was built in 1961. I haven't seen any other paperwork on it to know much beyond that. Sounds like some BIG boilers you got there.
Posted by gtr4him on Oct. 02 2008, 8:22 PM
LOL... on the political humor front again... I ran across this old nugget today... or it that nugent?



Howard "Nuge" Dean throws down... :laugh:

TG
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