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Posted On: Jan. 24 2010, 1:33 AM

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I've been using N-Track for about 8 years, yet here I am asking questions like a noob...
For various reasons, I still use N-Track 2.3 on one of my machines, and I'm happy with it, but have bought V5 and now V6 for another machine.
I'm still trying to get familiar with V6. I figured out how to do the AUX sends, how to set pre/post fader, etc. I get all the settings the way I want them with the effects on the AUXes and save the song file. When I reload it, the aux sends are gone. It's not just a matter of the send buttons not showing, there are no effects so that means the entire send chain is lost. I've looked at all the settings and can't find what I might be missing. Anyone have any clues?
Also, I am unable to get any DirectX effects to show up, including the ones that are supposed to come with N-Track (compressor, echo, chorus, etc)
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Jan. 24 2010, 1:34 AM

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Forgot to add - the aux returns DO show up on the mixer, along with the associated effects.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Jan. 24 2010, 5:11 AM

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I understand about not showing auxes. BUT, if I define an aux send or two, chances are that I wish to minimize CPU load by defining an effect common to multiple tracks. It would seem to make sense to default to sends for each track on the mixer. Those could then be selectively disabled if needed, if that feature is deemed desirable, although I cannot see any real advantage over just dropping the level to zero...
I must admit that I'm an embedded systems designer/programmer (in low-level languages) and not familiar with any Windoze APIs.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Feb. 08 2010, 4:08 AM

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Guess noone else has had this problem...
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Feb. 08 2010, 5:54 AM

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Hi Kr,
I've read your thread and unless I missed something you appear to first say the aux channels don't save.  Then you added that the effects don't show up.  Then you reiterated saying the aux show and save as do the effects.
What is it that your wanting?  I personally don't use aux channels at this time, sorry.  But maybe you could simplify your wording to a more specific question about something or other :laugh: I appreciate you discussing and experimenting!   :agree:
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Feb. 08 2010, 5:57 AM

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Quote: (krbaker @ Jan. 23 2010, 10:11 PM)

It would seem to make sense to default to sends for each track on the mixer. Those could then be selectively disabled if needed, if that feature is deemed desirable, although I cannot see any real advantage over just dropping the level to zero...
You know versions 3 and 5 they did default didn't they?
Flavio is always listening for ideas.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Feb. 08 2010, 1:45 PM

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Sorry for the confusion, guess I should've been more clear.

I can't get the DirectX effects to show up at all, actually a totally separate issue from the AUX send issues.

While getting my mix together, I set up my AUX busses for common effects, such as echo, reverb, etc so that I can use one instance of the plugins to save CPU resources. I can get all those going fine, get my effects levels set for the AUXes, etc - all sounds good.
I then save the song file. When I reopen the song file, the AUX sends are NOT shown on the tracks on which they were set. The AUX returns DO show up, and the effects list in the AUX returns are right. The effects that I set on those tracks are not audible, which tells me that it is not simply a matter of the send controls not being displayed, I am actually losing the AUX send levels.

Hope that clears up my problem, and thanks.

Levi, how do you NOT use AUXes?? Surely you don't add reverb to each channel individually?

I personally liked the fact that earlier versions automatically displayed AUX sends on each channel. I understand that some people prefer to not show them if they aren't used. However, doing it that way makes the mixer more jumbled because the channels with AUX sends have different sized controls. That's just my opinion, though.

I could live with the mixer displaying AUXes only on the channels where I'm using them,
but to not have the AUX sends saved is going to be a dealbreaker for me.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Feb. 08 2010, 7:47 PM

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I just added an aux on the demo song, (using ADD CHANNEL on the toolbar)
Then added reverb to the aux channel. (large hall preset)
I then sent track 2 to the aux channel. (using output channel select of track
2).
Then clicked on aux in the track 2 channel output and selected 'add new send'.
I set the send to +2.2 db. Panned the send all the way to the right.
Played the demo song - soloing track 2 and heard the reverb in the right channel.
I then saved the song as auxTest.sng (Remember to say YES when it asks if
you want to save the changes to auxTest.sng)
I then reloaded auxTest.sng. And my aux channel, send for track 2 ARE there
with the reverb in the aux channel and the send level is correct at 2.2db and
is panned right. And the .sng played back the way I had saved it.
So I am NOT seeing the problem you are having.
Try that simple test and see if you get the same results.
If you do, then I would suggest that you may not have saved your aux setting
changes correctly.
Hope this helps.

I am using build 2514 for the above.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Feb. 08 2010, 8:18 PM

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I'm pretty certain that I saved the song file after adding the auxes, but I'll try it again after work. I really appreciate you trying it out and giving me some feedback.

I'm mainly using the latest version to capture and "rough mix" 14 simultaneous tracks at practice so that I can put together some band demos. I'm still using V2.3 on my main DAW, even though it's an old version it's been solid. I've had some issues with versions since then, thus my reluctance to upgrade that machine until I can be reasonably certain that all is working well.

I've got some demos from my previous band here:
http://home.comcast.net/~kr.baker/sc_songs.htm
and some non-band stuff on my MySpace page:
http://www.myspace.com/kbc2band
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Some exquisit guitar, KRB.
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