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Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 5:42 PM
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yeah, that will work.  thanx for the responses.  didn't like losing my midi's after all that it took to put them together.  i'm a midi new guy but it is getting easier now that i see what is going on....

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 7:20 PM
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We can't answer your question without knowing what kind of MIDI synth you're using.  I gave three options above for the three cases I know of:

- built-in MIDI synth (built into soundcard)
- plugin softsynth
- external MIDI synth

What you do to render a MIDI track is different in each case.  If the Wizard works, I think you must be using a built-in MIDI synth, in which case John Lucic's suggestion sounds right (but I don't have one, so can't confirm for sure).

Beware simple advice!

Actually, there's a 4th case: standalone MIDI softsynth plumbed using MIDIYOKE.  I think "Solo the MIDI track and record what you hear" works for that too.

For plugin synth, best method is solo the track and offline mixdown.

For an external synth, you have to record it.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 7:24 PM
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plugin softsynth
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 7:43 PM
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Actually I use a Yamaha keyboard to create a MIDI track which I feed to sfz. The MIDI track shows up in the working folder as Whatever.mid....from now on I will copy that .mid file to another location before I mix it down...or I will do the 'record what you hear' method.
    I think I like the idea of copying the original midi file to another folder somewhere else. That way, if I decide I want it (the track)to be strings instead of horns I can import the original, feed it to my soft synth and re-figure it as desired.
    I was caught off guard when it deleted my files when it mixed down.

Still learning....

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 11:50 PM
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Best practice:

When you mixdown and see the offer for that wizard, say NO (or Cancel, or whatever) to make it go away forever. (Good riddance.)

Whenever you're happy with a MIDI track and want to render it to wave, just Solo that track (and no others) and do an offline mixdown. Name the wave file meaningfully, if you like (I do). Then import that wave file and Mute the MIDI track. (I minimize it too, and set the mixer view to hide minimized tracks.) Now you can apply FX and lots of fun stuff -- much easier volume edits than trying to do it with MIDI volume or on the plugin channel, etc. Also, the playback is more stable and repeatable: no +/- 8msec variation.

Later, if you want to edit the MIDI track, just do so (mute the audio track first!), and re-render. You can set the wave file name to be the same as the old one and it'll appear in the corresponding audio track (after asking whether you're sure you want to overwrite an existing file). Or you can name it something else, delete the old Part (not Track), import it, and move it to the audio track, retaining all those FX and volume edits you set up.

HTH :)
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 11:53 PM
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Er, oops, sorry -- I was thinking V3.  For V4, just Freeze the MIDI track!  Bingo!

Or feel free to render it like we "control freaks" do!  :laugh:
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 22 2005, 12:51 AM
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v3.3
I will make that wizard disappear.....forever! :angry:

Thanks again for tipping me off to its uselessness..

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 22 2005, 1:37 AM
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I'm confused. If you are using SFZ, why are you getting the MIDI to wav wizard? You shouldn't get it if you are sending your track to a VSTi... ??? ??? ???

are you sure you are using sfz right? are you using "output to-> sfz"?

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 22 2005, 1:40 PM
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Let me check for sure.....sometimes I use SFZ, sometimes VSC. Let me ask this: Is what you are saying is that I wouldn't have to go through the MIDI to WAV conversion if I used SFZ? If that is the case, I guess my preference from now on would have to be SFZ.  VSC seems to have more sounds but I would sacrifice them.
Like I've mentioned before, I don't know a lot about MIDI, but I thought SFZ and VSC (Steinberg's virtual sound canvas) were both softsynths and behaved pretty much the same. Aren't they both softsynths and don't they both have to be added as a new VST so you can output a MIDI track to them? Then, when you mixdown, the wizard tries to convert MIDIs to WAVs?

???

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 22 2005, 11:27 PM
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The midi to wav wizard is for when you are using an internal hardware synth or softsynth like MS Wavetable Synth, SB Synth (or whatever your soundcard onboard synth is, if you have one), etc. These do not operate offline like VSTi synths, so n can't do offline processing. It uses the MIDI to Wav converter to do live processing of each track. If you are using SFZ, then you should be able to do offline processing. (Just a thought... you don't have your settings where you do all real-time processing, and don't mixdown offline do you?) I don't know about Sound Canvas. I know very little about it, so I don't know if it works offline, but my initial thought would be that it would. Anyone else know?

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