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Topic: midi mixdown, where do the midi's go?
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Posted On: Nov. 20 2005, 5:05 PM
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When you mixdown midi tracks to wav tracks, where do the original midi files go?  are they completely deleted?
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 20 2005, 5:15 PM
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Eyup!

Uh, I don't know, I never figured it out :(
I don't do a midi mixdown for that reason, I just solo each track and record the audio to a separate audio track. That way you keep the original midi tracks if you need to redo anything.

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 20 2005, 5:40 PM
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Frankly, I think it's insane that the MIDI mixdown wizard even suggests deleting the MIDI track.

The MIDI tracks get deleted by default. (ARRGH!) This is a rather poor choice, since frequently after rendering and mixing I decide to make a change here or there, and if the original MIDI track is gone, there's no hope. IIRC, the wizard does clue you about saving the .sng file to a backup, and also allows not deleting the MIDI tracks. But the default behavior is very counterproductive, and I recommend against using the wizard for that reason.

The better choice in V4 is simply to freeze the MIDI track (if it's a plugin synth), or to play it back while recording the audio (for external synths), or whatever it is that folks with Soundblasters & the like (cards with built-in MIDI synths) do -- recording the synth out, IIRC.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 20 2005, 8:11 PM
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Frankly, I think it's insane that the MIDI mixdown wizard even suggests deleting the MIDI track.
This is plain and simple a very distructive bug. There's no way I justify it being caIled by-design. It's a data loss issue and really should be fixed. After conversion to wave the MIDI track should be sitting right there, though muted, in my opinion. Let the user decide when to delete content.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 2:53 AM
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Ok, during my 1 1/2 years of tinkering with n-track, I have found that if I mix some midi files down to a wave file, the original midis' are still there, under "newsong", with the little red hat. Once I find a file,  I  re-name the midi file. Anyway, look at all of your files in order to determine which ones are the particular midi files you just mixed down.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 4:20 AM
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I have put the midi track on "solo," set the soundcard settings to record "what-u-hear," and pushed record.
This made a wav file of the midi while leaving the midi track unaltered.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 6:10 AM
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If you are using VSTis... forget the wizard and freeze them tracks.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 11:49 AM
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If you are using VSTis... forget the wizard and freeze them tracks.

Agreed, or if you are a control freak like me, solo the midi track and do a mixdown; then import the resultant file.

Also agree that the Wizard shouldn't delete the Midi track.


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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 3:43 PM
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i use 3.3.  so the best way is to do as john lucic suggests?  that sounds simple enough....
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Nov. 21 2005, 3:52 PM
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Or use VSTi's and mixdown, as was suggested. You don't need "freeze" to do that. then save a backup file (doesn't take up much space) and delete the midi and synth tracks in your new version. be sure to save with a new name! :)

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