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Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 4:48 PM
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Hrm, interesting. Come to think of it, I sort of remember my ancient Cakewalk copy (Cakewalk Pro 9 :) ) Doing the same thing.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 6:26 PM
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Maybe Cakewalk chops things up by channel automatically.... which assumes the user wants it to do that too?

My Sonar is Home Studio 7 registered version, but I guess this what to expect from any DAW software in that price range and under?

There must be something more to this Midi_0 and the difference between how sequencer devices play midi files as one track, and how the computer displays them as many, than just the price or quality of the DAW.

keep shinin

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 6:32 PM
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Jeremy,

Download a copy of Reaper. See how it handles MIDI files. Works great.

No propaganda... just sayin'... if you're having trouble, there is a solution.

UJ
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 6:45 PM
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What does this have to do with DAW price or quality? I thought we were just curious to the difference between the MIDI 0 and 1 format? As far as how a DAW or hardware device handles the file, that is up to the designer.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 8:06 PM
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Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 28 2010, 11:45 AM)

What does this have to do with DAW price or quality? I thought we were just curious to the difference between the MIDI 0 and 1 format? As far as how a DAW or hardware device handles the file, that is up to the designer.

Well to me everything when it comes to software is price point and quality/value per dollar related.

If a company has more money obviously they are going to be able to invest in more teams of programmers, as apposed to say a single person or smaller company with less capitol, and therefor will then be able to incorporate a  variety of things that are time/resource related into the software.

So in this case there is a company with a sizable amount of capitol and resources (cakewalk) that has the same feature for Midi_0 files (showing each part as individual tracks and assuming the user wants that) as Ntrack, so the evidence lends one to postulate that perhaps this is a common property for DAWs regardless of price point.

which leads to two questions.....

What DAWs are you using that open MIDI_0 files and show all the parts (channels) as one track?
And what advantages are their for that feature the programmers of these DAWs found it necessary to write code to display the files that way in the editor?

keep shinin

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 8:26 PM
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midi is a standard. Manufacturers can only chose which features to include - or not.
Didn't those hardware midi song file player thingymajigs use type 1?

http://www.midi.org/aboutmidi/tut_midifiles.php
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 8:30 PM
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One of mine (the GNX4) which is a hardware midi file player thingamajoogy plays MIDI_0.

However, my Palm M125 plays both, but technically that is a software app on a hardware device running on a Mac OS, me thinks.

keep shinin

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 9:23 PM
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What DAWs are you using that open MIDI_0 files and show all the parts (channels) as one track?

I already mentioned, REAPER gives you the option to split or NOT when you open a MIDI Type 0 file.

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And what advantages are their for that feature the programmers of these DAWs found it necessary to write code to display the files that way in the editor?


Well... I'd rather open a MIDI 0 file, bust it up for easier editing without so much clutter myself... Then if I want, save it again as MIDI 0 so my other software or gee-whiz gadget can play it.

MIDI is not magic. It's just channels and events. For all practical purposes, only two file 'types' or formats. Study up, get the right tools... easy.

HTH,

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 10:08 PM
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Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 28 2010, 1:06 PM)

What DAWs are you using that open MIDI_0 files and show all the parts (channels) as one track?
And what advantages are their for that feature the programmers of these DAWs found it necessary to write code to display the files that way in the editor?

See my post a few pages ago. Tracks are easier for a human to deal with rather than a single heap of MIDI.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 11:32 PM
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I did read your other post and you never said,
when asked if other DAWs display only one track for MIDI_0 you said, YES,
so far we have the three that don't, Protracks, Sonar, Ntrack.

I'm going to open one in Finale and FL and get back here with the results.

keep shinin

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