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Posted On: Oct. 25 2010, 8:58 PM
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Even before the update, it was possible to delete individual midi tracks in midi type 1.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 25 2010, 9:04 PM
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Quote: (TonyR @ Oct. 25 2010, 1:58 PM)

Even before the update, it was possible to delete individual midi tracks in midi type 1.

Sure. But does it auto-detect and offer to bust 'em up for you on import? I ain't used n in forever...

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 26 2010, 8:06 PM
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Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 25 2010, 1:41 PM)

I would however like to know how my device (GNX4) is playing various instruments from various tracks (drums on channel 10, bass on channel 5 and various other data being sent only on particular channels etc etc) if they are all on one track.

IS there a way to have multiple channels on one track?

MIDI 1: Multiple tracks, multiple channels per track. (At least according to the spec. I don't know if N supports this in its editor.)
MIDI 0: Single track, multiple channels on that one track.


The way it differentiates a bass from a piano is

A: Instrument change events
B: Different channels

So at the beginning of the sequence it likely sends "Channel 1, Piano" "Channel 2, Bass" etc and then all notes transmitted on channel 1 are piano and all notes on channel 2 are bass.

Etc and so forth.

The synth itself knows nothing of tracks. Tracks are simply a thing to make things easier for us humans to edit our sequences. Synths only know channels and events.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 27 2010, 3:28 AM
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Holy shat!! Somebody done emailed me a MIDI Type 666 file! What the hayull do I do wi' dat??



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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 27 2010, 4:52 AM
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Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 26 2010, 1:06 PM)

Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 25 2010, 1:41 PM)

I would however like to know how my device (GNX4) is playing various instruments from various tracks (drums on channel 10, bass on channel 5 and various other data being sent only on particular channels etc etc) if they are all on one track.

IS there a way to have multiple channels on one track?

MIDI 1: Multiple tracks, multiple channels per track. (At least according to the spec. I don't know if N supports this in its editor.)
MIDI 0: Single track, multiple channels on that one track.


The way it differentiates a bass from a piano is

A: Instrument change events
B: Different channels

So at the beginning of the sequence it likely sends "Channel 1, Piano" "Channel 2, Bass" etc and then all notes transmitted on channel 1 are piano and all notes on channel 2 are bass.

Etc and so forth.

The synth itself knows nothing of tracks. Tracks are simply a thing to make things easier for us humans to edit our sequences. Synths only know channels and events.

That is very interesting Bubba.

But it still does not explain how midi files that are in format Midi_0 in my device, when I import them back into Ntrack all the "Channels" are on their own tracks again, it's not like when I do midi merge and all the notes go to one track.

That's the part what is getting me, and which made it hard for me to understand the difference (both file types look the same in the editor, in other editors to)

keep shinin

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 27 2010, 4:58 PM
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Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 26 2010, 9:52 PM)

But it still does not explain how midi files that are in format Midi_0 in my device, when I import them back into Ntrack all the "Channels" are on their own tracks again, it's not like when I do midi merge and all the notes go to one track.

Cause Ntrack chops things up by channel automatically.... which assumes the user wants it to do that?
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 27 2010, 9:00 PM
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Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 27 2010, 9:58 AM)

Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 26 2010, 9:52 PM)

But it still does not explain how midi files that are in format Midi_0 in my device, when I import them back into Ntrack all the "Channels" are on their own tracks again, it's not like when I do midi merge and all the notes go to one track.

Cause Ntrack chops things up by channel automatically.... which assumes the user wants it to do that?

That's why I was asking... thanks.

So n just busts it up for you with NO prompting? What if (and I often DO) I wanna keep it all in one? Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't...

UJ

PS Okay... I ALWAYS feel like a nut... that's beside the point.
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 27 2010, 9:16 PM
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Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 27 2010, 9:58 AM)

Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 26 2010, 9:52 PM)

But it still does not explain how midi files that are in format Midi_0 in my device, when I import them back into Ntrack all the "Channels" are on their own tracks again, it's not like when I do midi merge and all the notes go to one track.

Cause Ntrack chops things up by channel automatically.... which assumes the user wants it to do that?

So are you saying if a take one of the midi_0 files and open them in another DAW it is only going to be one track?

keep shinin

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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 12:59 AM
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Skip to the previous post in this topic. Posted On: Oct. 28 2010, 4:04 AM
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Not so far in Sonar, multiple tracks, Midi_0.
Protracks, multiple tracks, Midi_0.

One thing I have noticed converting to Midi_0 does tho is if you have multiple tracks of drums all on channel 10 they become ONE track when saved as Midi_0.

I wonder how NTrack 6.1.1. treats these tracks now that Midi_0 is able to be saved.....

Anyone?

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