Forum: n-Track Studio Discussion Forum
Topic: MIDI_0
started by: jeremysdemo

Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 19 2010, 3:58 AM
I have mentioned this several times in the past few years, in the suggested features thread, the ntrack 5.0 thread....


But here goes once again.

PLEASE include an option to save midi files as format MIDI_0 in the next version.

All the other programs I own have been doing it for years, Sonar, ProTracks, Cakewalk, Finale ect etc,.

Do this for me and I will kick in the extra shilling for 6.1 even tho I don't need it yet.

[/rant]

jerm :cool:
Posted by woxnerw on Oct. 19 2010, 10:34 AM
Hi jeremysdemo:
  Can you describe how you'd use this?   Lots of informational detail, in your reply, please..  

  I don't use MIDI and know less about that part of music creativity..  

         Bill..
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 19 2010, 5:05 PM
I would use to to click "SAVE" instead of format MIDI_1, Ntrack has built in.

FILE>Export MIDI file>Save as type>MIDI files (*.mid)

this "*.mid" is format MIDI_1, I want to save as MIDI_0.


In the other programs mentioned MIDI_0 is just an option in the SAVE AS area, in Ntrack it is under EXPORT midi FILE, and not listed as a format.
It's a pain in the but for me because every time I edit a midi file in Ntrack I have to then open it in one of these other programs in order to save it in MIDI_0 format, or use a converter, the problem with it is every time you take a MIDI_1 file and open it in another program just to save it as MIDI_0 format it saves all the pan and volume data on the faders TWICE, which clutters up the midi events (especially if you are doing this over and over like me) every time it adds those same commands into the file.

IF Ntrack would have the option to save as MIDI_0 format it would make the files playable in my sequencer devices and forgo the need for me to keep converting them in other programs.


keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by bax3 on Oct. 19 2010, 8:52 PM
I thiink you should sugest this to Flavio.  Drop him an email at the support address. :agree:
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 20 2010, 1:21 AM
Done.

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by TonyR on Oct. 20 2010, 1:29 AM
Jerm! I'll back this up. It's never been an issue for me in Micro World, but it does make sense.
Posted by Flavio Antonioli on Oct. 20 2010, 11:26 AM
Ok, enough votes... :) I'll add support for MIDI type 0 file export in v6.1.1

Flavio.
Posted by bbrown on Oct. 20 2010, 3:28 PM
[Flavio_blowup]  I have to admit this is one of the reasons I really love n-Track. Sure there are issues..... but point me to a software package that doesn't. As a programmer/software engineer myself, I know exactly how difficult it can be to get a response from the lead of a software project. Just try and get a word into the lead of an ERP package...geez! And typically those responses don't yield the results we get from Flavio. Thank you sir! :-)  [/Flavio_blowup]
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 20 2010, 8:20 PM
Quote: (Flavio Antonioli @ Oct. 20 2010, 4:26 AM)

Ok, enough votes... :) I'll add support for MIDI type 0 file export in v6.1.1

Flavio.

AWESOME Flav.

If I have said it once I have said it a thousand times, You da man!

Hey haters, try getting that done over at Reaper! lol

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 20 2010, 8:39 PM
Quote: (bbrown @ Oct. 20 2010, 8:28 AM)

[Flavio_blowup]  As a programmer/software engineer myself, I know exactly how difficult it can be to get a response from the lead of a software project. Just try and get a word into the lead of an ERP package...geez! And typically those responses don't yield the results we get from Flavio. Thank you sir! :-)  [/Flavio_blowup]

tell me about it.

I recently purchased a midi software program called Mixpad for the Palm M series device so I can make changes to songs on planes, trains, and automobiles or in the bathroom crapper before a gig without a computer only to find out they are dropping support for the palm M series devices.
The thing is when I researched portable midi devices that could go in ones shirt pocket the Palm M125 and two others were recommended by the Mixpad software company on their site (over newer phones and such) for running midi hardware (like sound modules) now they are discontinuing support of software of these older devices (which were supposed to be better for hardware use) and only advancing the software's that are used on the iphone and such.

IT's a shame really because with the solidness of the old Palm M series (uses AA batteries instead of the proprietary cell phone ones) and the reliability of the software platform (mixpad, beatpad, etc) they had a nitch market of serious portable pocket size midi composition tool not seen since the Roland PMA5 that is now going to be used as toy for people's cell phones.

You are a software programmer?

Maybe you can pick up the ball were these guys dropped it.

Flav...are you listening? there is money to be made here, I paid $22 for a simple midi program and it requires virtually no graphic programming (*the palms are gray screen and very low res) no wav. drivers, etc etc


NTRack for PALMS! lol

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 21 2010, 4:11 PM
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 20 2010, 1:20 PM)

Hey haters, try getting that done over at Reaper! lol

keep shinin

jerm :cool:

What the hell for? It's already there since ummm... FOREVER... sonny.

Don't even try comparing development of n to Reaper. That's like comparing a '73 Vega to a Lamborghini Diablo...

If n works for you, have fun, enjoy... but it is by no means in the same DAW upper class as Reaper. Sorry Charlie... truth. Oh yeah... Reaper costs less. I don't 'hate' nuttin'... cept ingnorance... You figure it out.

:D

UJ

PS I'ma pick one now...


Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 22 2010, 9:01 PM
Quote: (Unblown_Jonson @ Oct. 21 2010, 9:11 AM)

If n works for you, have fun, enjoy... but it is by no means in the same DAW upper class as Reaper. Sorry Charlie... truth. Oh yeah... Reaper costs less. I don't 'hate' nuttin'... cept ingnorance... You figure it out.

Reaper is a relatively new kid on the block,(2006) give them ten years and see where the price is, if it stays relative to inflation.

I purchased Ntrack in 98 for $35,
when I go click the Ntrack 6x icon on the front page and go to paypal it says $34. (I don't know if that is the current price)

Reapers current price is,

Quote: 

$150 full / $40 discounted Free upgrades through REAPER 4.99


The planned price for Reaper 4.0 is:

Quote: 

$225 full /(commercial) $60 discounted


Ntrack makes no higher price for commercial use.

You got to read the fine print.
Quote: 

Please download and evaluate REAPER fully before purchasing; all purchases are final.

Ntrack allows 30 refund if you are not happy with the paid version.

Dispelling ignorance, by all means do.

Me not saying Reaper bad Ntrack good they both seem good to me...but then again I'm not going over to the Reaper forums bashing reaper and praising Ntrack.

If you have a personal experience like this where the developers of Reaper put something exclusive in the program on your request by all means share it and I will be happy to recant my statement with sincerest apology to them and you.


keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 23 2010, 3:48 AM
Quote: 

You got to read the fine print.


Uh-huh... you go back and read the fine print junior. If it ain't obvious, maybe there's a reading comprehension issue?

Quote: 

Dispelling ignorance, by all means do.


Hayull far! I can't keep it up mang... Pretty soon I'll be here by myself! LOL

UJ

PS I'm Venus Bound Bayyybayyyy... I'ma building me a rockit sheeyup...


Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 23 2010, 8:28 AM
brilliant rebuttal.... :laugh:

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by TomS on Oct. 25 2010, 6:39 PM
Not to be thick, but how exactly do the two midi things differ? I've done the importing and exporting thing, and never noticed anything about this.  Anyway, it's in the software now.   :)
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 25 2010, 6:47 PM
Quote: (TomS @ Oct. 25 2010, 11:39 AM)

Not to be thick, but how exactly do the two midi things differ? I've done the importing and exporting thing, and never noticed anything about this.  Anyway, it's in the software now.   :)

cool...time to upgrade!  :) FLav said it would be in 6.1.1

Honestly Tom I don't know what the difference is...
I just know the GNX4 and a few other sequencers only play one format and MIDI_1 ain't it.

When you open them up in any editor they pretty much look the same (except for the layout of the editor) in either format as well as they should they are the exact same midi file,....

in the immortal words of that smart kid from Jersey...it's all the same, only the names have changed, everything seems it's wasting away...

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by bax3 on Oct. 25 2010, 7:43 PM
this is what answer.com has to say:
"A Format 0 file (Midi 0) contains a single track and represents a single song performance. Format 1 (Midi 1) may contain any number of tracks, enabling preservation of the sequencer track structure, and also represents a single song performance. Format 2 (Midi 2) may have any number of tracks, each representing a separate song performance.

==JSNL==
In general a MIDI file can contain 16 channels, which can each contain one or more tracks.
For instance, drums are by default recorded using channel 10.
Now you can put all drumparts on one track, but you can also make separate tracks for each drum instrument, like bassdrum, snare, hi-hat, hi-tom, lo-tom, crash, etc. This might come in handy if you want to edit the track later on.
Each of these drumtracks will be appointed to channel 10.

Now if you save file this to format midi1, all tracks will be saved separately, although they are on the same channel.

If you save the same file to format midi0 however, all tracks that are on the same channel will be merged into one single track.

Midi2 is not a fileformat, but an extension to the GM standard, and is actually called General MIDI 2
Posted by TonyR on Oct. 25 2010, 8:08 PM
Great news for shuttling single midi tracks around.
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 25 2010, 8:41 PM
Quote: (bax3 @ Oct. 25 2010, 12:43 PM)

this is what answer.com has to say:
"A Format 0 file (Midi 0) contains a single track and represents a single song performance. Format 1 (Midi 1) may contain any number of tracks, enabling preservation of the sequencer track structure, and also represents a single song performance. Format 2 (Midi 2) may have any number of tracks, each representing a separate song performance.

==JSNL==
In general a MIDI file can contain 16 channels, which can each contain one or more tracks.
For instance, drums are by default recorded using channel 10.
Now you can put all drumparts on one track, but you can also make separate tracks for each drum instrument, like bassdrum, snare, hi-hat, hi-tom, lo-tom, crash, etc. This might come in handy if you want to edit the track later on.
Each of these drumtracks will be appointed to channel 10.

Now if you save file this to format midi1, all tracks will be saved separately, although they are on the same channel.

If you save the same file to format midi0 however, all tracks that are on the same channel will be merged into one single track.

Midi2 is not a fileformat, but an extension to the GM standard, and is actually called General MIDI 2

I don't know how correct that wiki is.

I would however like to know how my device (GNX4) is playing various instruments from various tracks (drums on channel 10, bass on channel 5 and various other data being sent only on particular channels etc etc) if they are all on one track.

IS there a way to have multiple channels on one track?

And when I bring them back into Ntrack out of the Midi_0 format all the instruments are still on their respective tracks and channels (not one track or channel for all of them) there has to be some way the channels are still keeping there respective data....since I have so many sysEx data's and program changes being sent if they were going to a single channel all kinds of wrong things would be happening to the wrong devices.

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 25 2010, 8:46 PM
If you goobs promise not to blast my azz for mentioning it...

A real handy feature in that OTHER DAW (rhymes with Keeper) ... When you import a MIDI file (from the dialog box OR drag-n-drop) it auto-detects the format and prompts the user for whut to do. Sometimes it's handy to split a MIDI Type 1 file into separate tracks on the time line. Maybe you just want the drums or bass or whatever. Why clutter up your screen with extra junk you don't want/need. Let it split it for you, delete the tracks you don't want.

It would be a worthy addition here I think.

UJ
Posted by TonyR on Oct. 25 2010, 8:58 PM
Even before the update, it was possible to delete individual midi tracks in midi type 1.
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 25 2010, 9:04 PM
Quote: (TonyR @ Oct. 25 2010, 1:58 PM)

Even before the update, it was possible to delete individual midi tracks in midi type 1.

Sure. But does it auto-detect and offer to bust 'em up for you on import? I ain't used n in forever...

UJ
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 26 2010, 8:06 PM
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 25 2010, 1:41 PM)

I would however like to know how my device (GNX4) is playing various instruments from various tracks (drums on channel 10, bass on channel 5 and various other data being sent only on particular channels etc etc) if they are all on one track.

IS there a way to have multiple channels on one track?

MIDI 1: Multiple tracks, multiple channels per track. (At least according to the spec. I don't know if N supports this in its editor.)
MIDI 0: Single track, multiple channels on that one track.


The way it differentiates a bass from a piano is

A: Instrument change events
B: Different channels

So at the beginning of the sequence it likely sends "Channel 1, Piano" "Channel 2, Bass" etc and then all notes transmitted on channel 1 are piano and all notes on channel 2 are bass.

Etc and so forth.

The synth itself knows nothing of tracks. Tracks are simply a thing to make things easier for us humans to edit our sequences. Synths only know channels and events.
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 27 2010, 3:28 AM
Holy shat!! Somebody done emailed me a MIDI Type 666 file! What the hayull do I do wi' dat??



UJ
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 27 2010, 4:52 AM
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 26 2010, 1:06 PM)

Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 25 2010, 1:41 PM)

I would however like to know how my device (GNX4) is playing various instruments from various tracks (drums on channel 10, bass on channel 5 and various other data being sent only on particular channels etc etc) if they are all on one track.

IS there a way to have multiple channels on one track?

MIDI 1: Multiple tracks, multiple channels per track. (At least according to the spec. I don't know if N supports this in its editor.)
MIDI 0: Single track, multiple channels on that one track.


The way it differentiates a bass from a piano is

A: Instrument change events
B: Different channels

So at the beginning of the sequence it likely sends "Channel 1, Piano" "Channel 2, Bass" etc and then all notes transmitted on channel 1 are piano and all notes on channel 2 are bass.

Etc and so forth.

The synth itself knows nothing of tracks. Tracks are simply a thing to make things easier for us humans to edit our sequences. Synths only know channels and events.

That is very interesting Bubba.

But it still does not explain how midi files that are in format Midi_0 in my device, when I import them back into Ntrack all the "Channels" are on their own tracks again, it's not like when I do midi merge and all the notes go to one track.

That's the part what is getting me, and which made it hard for me to understand the difference (both file types look the same in the editor, in other editors to)

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 27 2010, 4:58 PM
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 26 2010, 9:52 PM)

But it still does not explain how midi files that are in format Midi_0 in my device, when I import them back into Ntrack all the "Channels" are on their own tracks again, it's not like when I do midi merge and all the notes go to one track.

Cause Ntrack chops things up by channel automatically.... which assumes the user wants it to do that?
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 27 2010, 9:00 PM
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 27 2010, 9:58 AM)

Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 26 2010, 9:52 PM)

But it still does not explain how midi files that are in format Midi_0 in my device, when I import them back into Ntrack all the "Channels" are on their own tracks again, it's not like when I do midi merge and all the notes go to one track.

Cause Ntrack chops things up by channel automatically.... which assumes the user wants it to do that?

That's why I was asking... thanks.

So n just busts it up for you with NO prompting? What if (and I often DO) I wanna keep it all in one? Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't...

UJ

PS Okay... I ALWAYS feel like a nut... that's beside the point.
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 27 2010, 9:16 PM
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 27 2010, 9:58 AM)

Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 26 2010, 9:52 PM)

But it still does not explain how midi files that are in format Midi_0 in my device, when I import them back into Ntrack all the "Channels" are on their own tracks again, it's not like when I do midi merge and all the notes go to one track.

Cause Ntrack chops things up by channel automatically.... which assumes the user wants it to do that?

So are you saying if a take one of the midi_0 files and open them in another DAW it is only going to be one track?

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 28 2010, 12:59 AM
Yes.
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 28 2010, 4:04 AM
Not so far in Sonar, multiple tracks, Midi_0.
Protracks, multiple tracks, Midi_0.

One thing I have noticed converting to Midi_0 does tho is if you have multiple tracks of drums all on channel 10 they become ONE track when saved as Midi_0.

I wonder how NTrack 6.1.1. treats these tracks now that Midi_0 is able to be saved.....

Anyone?

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 28 2010, 4:48 PM
Hrm, interesting. Come to think of it, I sort of remember my ancient Cakewalk copy (Cakewalk Pro 9 :) ) Doing the same thing.
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 28 2010, 6:26 PM
Maybe Cakewalk chops things up by channel automatically.... which assumes the user wants it to do that too?

My Sonar is Home Studio 7 registered version, but I guess this what to expect from any DAW software in that price range and under?

There must be something more to this Midi_0 and the difference between how sequencer devices play midi files as one track, and how the computer displays them as many, than just the price or quality of the DAW.

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 28 2010, 6:32 PM
Jeremy,

Download a copy of Reaper. See how it handles MIDI files. Works great.

No propaganda... just sayin'... if you're having trouble, there is a solution.

UJ
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 28 2010, 6:45 PM
What does this have to do with DAW price or quality? I thought we were just curious to the difference between the MIDI 0 and 1 format? As far as how a DAW or hardware device handles the file, that is up to the designer.
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 28 2010, 8:06 PM
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 28 2010, 11:45 AM)

What does this have to do with DAW price or quality? I thought we were just curious to the difference between the MIDI 0 and 1 format? As far as how a DAW or hardware device handles the file, that is up to the designer.

Well to me everything when it comes to software is price point and quality/value per dollar related.

If a company has more money obviously they are going to be able to invest in more teams of programmers, as apposed to say a single person or smaller company with less capitol, and therefor will then be able to incorporate a  variety of things that are time/resource related into the software.

So in this case there is a company with a sizable amount of capitol and resources (cakewalk) that has the same feature for Midi_0 files (showing each part as individual tracks and assuming the user wants that) as Ntrack, so the evidence lends one to postulate that perhaps this is a common property for DAWs regardless of price point.

which leads to two questions.....

What DAWs are you using that open MIDI_0 files and show all the parts (channels) as one track?
And what advantages are their for that feature the programmers of these DAWs found it necessary to write code to display the files that way in the editor?

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by TonyR on Oct. 28 2010, 8:26 PM
midi is a standard. Manufacturers can only chose which features to include - or not.
Didn't those hardware midi song file player thingymajigs use type 1?

< http://www.midi.org/aboutmidi/tut_midifiles.php >
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 28 2010, 8:30 PM
One of mine (the GNX4) which is a hardware midi file player thingamajoogy plays MIDI_0.

However, my Palm M125 plays both, but technically that is a software app on a hardware device running on a Mac OS, me thinks.

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 28 2010, 9:23 PM
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 28 2010, 1:06 PM)

What DAWs are you using that open MIDI_0 files and show all the parts (channels) as one track?

I already mentioned, REAPER gives you the option to split or NOT when you open a MIDI Type 0 file.

Quote: 

And what advantages are their for that feature the programmers of these DAWs found it necessary to write code to display the files that way in the editor?


Well... I'd rather open a MIDI 0 file, bust it up for easier editing without so much clutter myself... Then if I want, save it again as MIDI 0 so my other software or gee-whiz gadget can play it.

MIDI is not magic. It's just channels and events. For all practical purposes, only two file 'types' or formats. Study up, get the right tools... easy.

HTH,

UJ
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 28 2010, 10:08 PM
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 28 2010, 1:06 PM)

What DAWs are you using that open MIDI_0 files and show all the parts (channels) as one track?
And what advantages are their for that feature the programmers of these DAWs found it necessary to write code to display the files that way in the editor?

See my post a few pages ago. Tracks are easier for a human to deal with rather than a single heap of MIDI.
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 28 2010, 11:32 PM
I did read your other post and you never said,
when asked if other DAWs display only one track for MIDI_0 you said, YES,
so far we have the three that don't, Protracks, Sonar, Ntrack.

I'm going to open one in Finale and FL and get back here with the results.

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 29 2010, 1:45 AM
I am totally lost as to the point of this exercise.
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 29 2010, 3:50 AM
Dear Mr. Gump,

Thank you for your concern. Your care and attention to this matter has been outstanding and IS appreciated. You are a prince among men. (In a NON-GAY way... :laugh: )

As for moi? Well, I assume Jermy does indeed have Unblown_Jonson on "Ignore" and he is not reading my replies OR he sees them and is just not commenting. I think we have both provided sufficient information to help the guy out. Just be thankful we're not trying to teach him how to remove the detonator from a WR3 medium-yield thermo-nuclear warhead. Our asses woulda been blown to Venus already...

UJ
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 29 2010, 6:57 AM
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 28 2010, 6:45 PM)

I am totally lost as to the point of this exercise.

You seemed to imply that other DAWs open up Midi_0 files and all the data or notes are on ONE track, I named 3 were that is not the case, so guess we were looking for a name of even one that does, one name, that's all.

Unless I misread or misunderstood you post, in that case just carry on Oh wayward son, there will be peace when you are done....

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Flavio Antonioli on Oct. 29 2010, 9:11 AM
Importing a MIDI file into a single MIDI track is not difficult to implement, so the next build of v6.1.1 beta will prompt for that when importing a MIDI file (type 0 or type 1), in case this might be useful in some cases. It will set the MIDI channel setting for the track to 'none' so that each MIDI event will play according to its own MIDI channel, i.e. not overridden by the track MIDI channel setting.

Flavio.
Posted by dannyraymilligan on Oct. 29 2010, 3:13 PM
Quote: (Flavio Antonioli @ Oct. 29 2010, 2:11 AM)

Importing a MIDI file into a single MIDI track is not difficult to implement, so the next build of v6.1.1 beta will prompt for that when importing a MIDI file (type 0 or type 1), in case this might be useful in some cases. It will set the MIDI channel setting for the track to 'none' so that each MIDI event will play according to its own MIDI channel, i.e. not overridden by the track MIDI channel setting.

Flavio.

Now Unblown, THIS ^^^ is what Jeremy was referring to. In what other DAW forum do you see the actual CREATOR of the program taking the time to address issues, absorbing feedback and actually making changes to the software in response to requests??? Flavio RULES, buddy, Flavio RULES!!!
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 29 2010, 3:49 PM
Quote: (dannyraymilligan @ Oct. 29 2010, 8:13 AM)

Now Unblown, THIS ^^^ is what Jeremy was referring to. In what other DAW forum do you see the actual CREATOR of the program taking the time to address issues, absorbing feedback and actually making changes to the software in response to requests??? Flavio RULES, buddy, Flavio RULES!!!

Well since you ask;

YES!! He DOES hang out on the forum... and a helluva lot more OFTEN than this developer does.

You're obviously speaking from ignorance. How often do you hang out over there? Yeah... NEVER even been there... that's what I thought. This is a lousy point you're not going to "win" so I suggest dropping it?

Don't get pissed off at me. YOU asked the question... not ME. Facts are facts slick.

UJ

PS Let me add... Yes Flavio does indeed "RULE". He seems a great guy and a decent programmer. What do you want them to do? Get together and thumb wrestle for world DAW-manation?
Posted by Bubbagump on Oct. 29 2010, 4:26 PM
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 28 2010, 11:57 PM)

Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 28 2010, 6:45 PM)

I am totally lost as to the point of this exercise.

You seemed to imply that other DAWs open up Midi_0 files and all the data or notes are on ONE track, I named 3 were that is not the case, so guess we were looking for a name of even one that does, one name, that's all.

Unless I misread or misunderstood you post, in that case just carry on Oh wayward son, there will be peace when you are done....

keep shinin

jerm :cool:

Yes, Reaper has the option do this or break it up by channel. Why the Inspector Cluzo into a simple feature? You seem to be trying to prove something that doesn't need to be proven.
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 29 2010, 6:04 PM
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 29 2010, 9:26 AM)

Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 28 2010, 11:57 PM)

Quote: (Bubbagump @ Oct. 28 2010, 6:45 PM)

I am totally lost as to the point of this exercise.

You seemed to imply that other DAWs open up Midi_0 files and all the data or notes are on ONE track, I named 3 were that is not the case, so guess we were looking for a name of even one that does, one name, that's all.

Unless I misread or misunderstood you post, in that case just carry on Oh wayward son, there will be peace when you are done....

keep shinin

jerm :cool:

Yes, Reaper has the option do this or break it up by channel. Why the Inspector Cluzo into a simple feature? You seem to be trying to prove something that doesn't need to be proven.

I was actually trying to understand something that was not understood.

It's a lot easier to do that when you can look at the evidence and see the function in motion, in this case the function of how Midi_0 files are displayed in different DAW's.

Sure you can take anothers word for it, but I tried it in three of the DAW's I use most often and it did not happen, hence the asking for a name of one program that it does happen in, since you seemed to possess that knowledge and I did not.

I'm not trying to prove anything about anything I just want to observe the feature myself in a DAW and until now I didn't have one or even a name of one that did it, and for that I thank you, and Flavio.

Living, learning, Loving.

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 29 2010, 6:06 PM
Quote: (Flavio Antonioli @ Oct. 29 2010, 2:11 AM)

Importing a MIDI file into a single MIDI track is not difficult to implement, so the next build of v6.1.1 beta will prompt for that when importing a MIDI file (type 0 or type 1), in case this might be useful in some cases. It will set the MIDI channel setting for the track to 'none' so that each MIDI event will play according to its own MIDI channel, i.e. not overridden by the track MIDI channel setting.

Flavio.

Your efforts are appreciated!  :agree:

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 29 2010, 10:29 PM
Quote: (dannyraymilligan @ Oct. 29 2010, 8:13 AM)

Quote: (Flavio Antonioli @ Oct. 29 2010, 2:11 AM)

Importing a MIDI file into a single MIDI track is not difficult to implement, so the next build of v6.1.1 beta will prompt for that when importing a MIDI file (type 0 or type 1), in case this might be useful in some cases. It will set the MIDI channel setting for the track to 'none' so that each MIDI event will play according to its own MIDI channel, i.e. not overridden by the track MIDI channel setting.

Flavio.

Now Unblown, THIS ^^^ is what Jeremy was referring to. In what other DAW forum do you see the actual CREATOR of the program taking the time to address issues, absorbing feedback and actually making changes to the software in response to requests??? Flavio RULES, buddy, Flavio RULES!!!

Sounds like you don't have your can if [ignore]© cracked... :(

that can make for a bad day.... :angry:

Allow me to offer you your first six pack.

[ignore][ignore]
[ignore][ignore]
[ignore][ignore]


enjoy.

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Unblown_Jonson2 on Oct. 30 2010, 3:07 AM
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 29 2010, 3:29 PM)

that can make for a bad day.... :angry:

Next, you need to petition Flavio for filters in the MIDI editor (if n doesn't have them?) so you won't have to wade through a billion events to edit the bass line for example. Will it take another five pages to explain what a filter is?

Maybe if you weren't so obtuse, you might LEARN SOMETHING without having to drag it out FIVE [email protected]#N pages! But please, leave ol' Unblown on the ignore list... and feel free to add Unsmoked_Winstons too. After all, ignorance is bliss and I figure you is one blissful son of a gun!

KEEP SHININ'!!! :D

UW

PS I'm so sorry... 'obtuse' is probably not in your vocabulary. Here... let me help.

< http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obtuse >

You're welcome!
Posted by Unblown_Jonson on Oct. 30 2010, 3:12 AM
[email protected]#n Unsmoked... don't be so hard on the boy...

UJ
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 30 2010, 4:36 PM
There it is again!  :laugh:

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by jeremysdemo on Oct. 30 2010, 6:15 PM
I'm running out of cans.  ???

keep shinin

jerm :cool:
Posted by Unblown_Jonson2 on Nov. 02 2010, 1:39 AM
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Oct. 30 2010, 11:15 AM)

I'm running out of cans.

Naw... you got PLENTY... trust me. Gotta have somewhere to put all that "music" you be doing. Otherwise the EPA will come shut you down.

UW

PS WHOOPS! I almost forgot... KEEP SHININ'!!!
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